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		<title>nice quote: Auden on language</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was thumbing through Brain Cantwell Smith&#8217;s &#8220;&#8221;1, and came across the following quote: &#8220;One notices, if one will trust one&#8217;s eyes, the shadow cast by language upon truth.&#8221; Auden, &#8220;Kairos &#38; Logos&#8220; This reminded me of my own ponderings as a school child (I can still hear the clank of china as I was washing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was thumbing through Brain Cantwell Smith&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0262692090?ie=UTF8&tag=textilearts0b-21&link_code=wql&camp=2486&creative=8946" type="amzn" asin="0262692090">On the Origin of Objects</a>&#8221;<sup><a href="#footnote-1-129" id="footnote-link-1-129" title="See the footnote.">1</a></sup>, and came across the following quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>One notices, if one will trust one&#8217;s eyes, the shadow cast by language upon truth.</em>&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._Auden" target="_blank">Auden</a>, &#8220;<a href="http://www.daimi.au.dk/~sorsha/lit/WHAuden.html" target="_blank">Kairos &amp; Logos</a>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>This reminded me of my own ponderings as a school child (I can still hear the clank of china as I was washing cups in the church at the time!) as to whether I would be able to think more freely if I knew more languages and thus had more words and concepts, or whether, on the contrary, my mind would be most clear if I knew no language and was thus free of the conceptual straitjacket of English vocabulary. Of course all shades of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir-Whorf_hypothesis" target="_blank">Sapir-Whorf</a> (although I didn&#8217;t know the term at the time), and now I hold a somewhere in-between view &#8211; language shapes thought but does not totally contain it<sup><a href="#footnote-2-129" id="footnote-link-2-129" title="See the footnote.">2</a></sup>.  Is that the moderation of maturity, or compromise of age?</p>
<br /><ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote-1-129">Trying to decide whether to start it again, as <a href="http://www.lukechurch.net/" target="_blank">Luke Church</a>, who I met at the <a href="http://www.alandix.com/blog/2008/09/16/ppig2008-and-the-twenty-first-century-coder/" target="_blank">PPIG meeting in September</a>, told me it was worthwhile persevering with even though somewhat oddly written!  [<a href="#footnote-link-1-129">back</a>]</li><li id="footnote-2-129">I discuss this a bit in my <a href="http://www.hcibook.com/alan/essays/" target="_blank">transarticulation essay</a> and <a href="http://www.hcibook.com/alan/papers/space2-2004/" target="_blank">paths and patches book chapter</a>.  [<a href="#footnote-link-2-129">back</a>]</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>pantoum amongst the lost emails</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About to go off to Edinburgh for 2 day meeting of the Branded Meeting Places project in Doing quick check on my outbox for 1/2 written emails that I need to finish &#8230; and then found the following from July 2006 spring flowers in the meadow gold sunshine glinting the grass between lies cool and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About to go off to Edinburgh for 2 day meeting of the <a href="http://ace.caad.ed.ac.uk/Branded/">Branded Meeting Places</a> project in</p>
<p>Doing quick check on my outbox for 1/2 written emails that I need to finish &#8230; and then found the following from July 2006</p>
<blockquote><p>spring flowers in the meadow<br />
gold sunshine glinting<br />
the grass between lies<br />
cool and smooth</p>
<p>gold sunshine glinting<br />
across the rippling waters<br />
cool and smooth<br />
towards the lonely isle</p>
<p>across the rippling waters<br />
birds fly gently<br />
towards the lonely isle<br />
majestic but desolate</p>
<p>birds fly gently<br />
spring long past<br />
majestic but desolate<br />
the snow buried grass</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0393321789?ie=UTF8&tag=textilearts0b-21&link_code=wql&camp=2486&creative=8946" type="amzn" asin="0393321789"><img class="alignright" style="border: 0pt none; float: right; margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" src="http://www.alandix.com/images/making-of-a-poem-clipped.png" alt="The Making of a Poem" width="278" height="248" /></a>I recall the context now.  I has been reading &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0393321789?ie=UTF8&tag=textilearts0b-21&link_code=wql&camp=2486&creative=8946" type="amzn" asin="0393321789">The Making of a Poem</a>&#8221; a lovely book, that discusses different poetic forms both history and current use and with loads of examples of each, classic and modern.   I was talking to Masitah about the <em>pantoum</em>, a Malay poetic form where the 2nd and 4th line  of each verse become the 1st and 3rd line of the next verse.  I constructed the above as an example as we chatted!  I had typed it into an email to save it and there it has lain, forgotten, ever since.</p>
<p>I think traditional pantoums have a particular rhythm structure within each verse, so my attempt above has the right line structure structure, but not the right metre.  However, I did like the way it created an apparent continuity, yet the meaning could shift underneath &#8211; in this case from spring to winter.</p>
<p>My favourite in the book was a modern pantoum by J. M. McClatchy.  He repeats the sound of the lines &#8230; but not necessarily the words &#8230; so in the first verse, the second line is &#8220;<em>Seem to pee more often, eat</em>&#8221; and in the beginning of the second verse this becomes &#8220;<em>Sympathy, more often than not</em>&#8220;.  Or in the middle &#8220;<em>The hearth&#8217;s easy, embered expense</em>&#8221; becomes &#8220;<em>The heart&#8217;s lazy: remembrance spent</em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Now back to looking for those urgent mails before the train!</p>
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